i jumped to rape because my point centers around a phenomenon that is specific to that particular crime. if i choose to recklessly walk through a shady area at night, and i am mugged, by and large no one would focus on that same kind of way on ME. on whether i somehow gave the mugger the idea that it was ok to mug me. whether how i dressed or how i walked or my state of sobriety or what i did for a living made it ok to threaten me with violence and steal my belongings.

and fair enough that personal responsibility is a good thing for everyone to develop. that is true. however, responsibility for a person's lack of wisdom in walking alone at night would NOT outweigh the responsibility of the perpetrator of a crime to not physically/financially/whatever violate the rights of another person. and my point regarding social attitudes towards rape is relevant because, to some degree, it creates a culture of impunity regarding that particular crime. if the victim who really did make a stupid/reckless/unsafe decision (which does not in any case mean they deserve to be attacked) does not feel safe coming forward to report the crime due to the attitude/reaction they will no doubt face which will exacerbate the trauma they already experienced, the rapist/attacker is free to continue attacking others, not all of whom will be similarly lacking in 'personal responsibility' at the time of the attack. social attitudes mean that for some victims, those experiencing spousal rape, for example, have next to no chance of their attacker getting any sort of punishment/castigation at all. where exactly is the personal responsibility in 'i told my spouse i wasnt in the mood and they decided they didnt care and attacked me/forced me anyway'?

also, i do think this is also thread derailing to continue on with so, so apologies for that.