Good! So you agree that, "to some extent," women and minorities are still oppressed, and you benefit directly from that oppression, yes?
Though not always to the benefit of white males any more: some of it directly benefits particular nonwhite groups, or women.
Please don't bring up affirmative action; it really is not very important and I don't feel like debating it. Not as much as I don't feel like debating Trayvon Martin's murder, but still.
EDIT: When I say affirmative action is "not very important," I mean that it in no way constitutes either racism or oppression of anyone and so I don't see a need to argue about it in the context of this conversation. Obviously as an issue in itself it is important, no matter what your stance on it is. (I personally think we should probably have class-based affirmative action instead of race-based, but considering stuff like this I can see where the support for race-based affirmative action comes from.)
I want to see equality under the law,
I am not suggesting legal reparations and have never suggested legal reparations. I am suggesting that we actively try to enact social and cultural change. One part of that--a small part perhaps, but still a part--is to put a stop to our current situation where men get to say whatever they want, while if women step out of line they get volleys of sexist insults and rape threats hurled at them.
You are suggesting that the solution to the above situation is for women to grow thicker skin. I am suggesting that the solution is to get men to stop hurling sexist insults and rape threats. That is the debate we are having.
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Good! So you agree that, "to some extent," women and minorities are still oppressed, and you benefit directly from that oppression, yes?
Though not always to the benefit of white males any more: some of it directly benefits particular nonwhite groups, or women.
Please don't bring up affirmative action; it really is not very important and I don't feel like debating it. Not as much as I don't feel like debating Trayvon Martin's murder, but still.
EDIT: When I say affirmative action is "not very important," I mean that it in no way constitutes either racism or oppression of anyone and so I don't see a need to argue about it in the context of this conversation. Obviously as an issue in itself it is important, no matter what your stance on it is. (I personally think we should probably have class-based affirmative action instead of race-based, but considering stuff like this I can see where the support for race-based affirmative action comes from.)
I want to see equality under the law,
I am not suggesting legal reparations and have never suggested legal reparations. I am suggesting that we actively try to enact social and cultural change. One part of that--a small part perhaps, but still a part--is to put a stop to our current situation where men get to say whatever they want, while if women step out of line they get volleys of sexist insults and rape threats hurled at them.
You are suggesting that the solution to the above situation is for women to grow thicker skin. I am suggesting that the solution is to get men to stop hurling sexist insults and rape threats. That is the debate we are having.