http://tealterror0.livejournal.com/ ([identity profile] tealterror0.livejournal.com) wrote in [personal profile] inverarity 2012-04-10 08:24 am (UTC)

I would benefit the most from a society in which the minimum possible irrational prejudice existed.

I highly doubt that. What if the irrational prejudice was "Jordan179 is awesome and deserves to get anything he wants"?

"Affirmative action" is highly relevant to the issue, since it shows that whites and males can suffer racial and sexual oppression,

No it doesn't.

Because Jews tended to have higher than average marks, colleges in that day set maximum quotas of Jewish students they would accept.

Quotas are a bad idea, I agree.

Today, we directly oppress East Asians in the exact same manner, despite the fact that they are "persons of color" in the (absurd) PC parlance.

First of all, recognizing the fact that you have certain advantages over other groups, and so compensating those groups for their disadvantages, is not oppression. (Asians are oppressed in modern America in a number of ways, but academic admissions does not tend to be one of them.)

Second of all, saying things like "absurd PC parlance" and putting persons of color in square-quotes really does not help your argument.

Or do they deserve to be selected against because of the sins of their ancestors?

Well, kind of. Because of the sins of our ancestors, we have many advantages that blacks, latinos, etc. do not. As such, we have an unfair advantage when it comes to academic admissions and job applications (read this article if you haven't yet).

Asians, for various sociohistorical reasons, do not suffer from this disadvantage when it comes to academic admissions. In many other areas they do however suffer racism (including in academia itself of course; just not in the admissions process for the most part). Admittedly I could be wrong about this--I don't know a lot about this topic--so I may be making a fool out of myself on this point.

You directly asked me a question about the shooting of Trayvon Martin, otherwise I would have said nothing about it as it was not very relevant to the issue at hand.

I didn't expect you to turn around and defend Zimmerman. Maybe I should've.

Women being incapable of insulting men right back because what, the Privilege Police will come arrest them for Violation of Male Privilege?

Nice strawman. If they do, that will only be taken as more evidence that they are a "bitch" and so on some level deserve to be shouted down.

"Rape threats" are not only immoral and illogical but actually illegal,

And that makes so much of a difference when it comes to anonymous comments! No, wait...

I'm suggesting a solution which is actually within the power of each individual woman to achieve and does not require generations of social change.

What you are suggesting is not a solution.

Let me go through this very slowly. Plenty of women already have thick skin. As a matter of fact, you suggesting that the major issue here is that women are too sensitive not only displays in bright, shining lights your male privilege, but also is fairly sexist in and of itself.

It does not matter how thick skin women might have. What matters is that they are forced to have thick skin when men are not. I'm sorry, I don't care how immune to criticism you might be, rape threats and insults on the level of "Shut up you fucking bitch" are never just going to roll off your skin like water. Mainly because, as Valente (I believe) points out, this shit happens in meatspace as well.

Women do not need Jordan179 to explain to them why they must Fight Back. They know that already. The only real solution we have is social change. Yes, this takes decades, and yes, it's outside the power of individual women. It's fucking difficult. If you really cared about ending sexism, you'd help out with the project instead of taking potshots from the (white male privileged) stands.

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