Neatly done! It was perfectly logical for Troublesome to want to do it, but by meta-game, you haint supposed to write 14 years olds at it and you came up with a perfect escape clause.
Likewise, I get where Torvald is coming from. When I did military training, we had to climb a wall, I had problems climbing, so the guy behind, grabbed my arse and pushed me over. So I wanted gays to serve in their own regiments.
" She was still planted here on this world, surrounded by her friends." No. They stood in a 6 pointed star. Troublesome was the focus, she should have been in the centre with the Others arranged in a 5 pointed star.
If Alex had agreed to the pact, she could have asked these questions three. Movie! Wizard of Earthsea was mostly crap, but one nice bit was: Dragon: You win puny mortal. I shall answer two questions. Ged: Hey! Isn't the rule that I get three questions? Dragon: Correct, puny mortal. What are your remaining two questions?
All 6 in a circle at 60* angle; 5 in a circle at 72* angle, 1 in the middle; 4 in a circle at 90*, 2 in the middle; 4 @ 90*, 1 in the middle, 1 off to one side; etc.
People stood in the form of a 6 pointed star. I assert that since Troublesome was the focus of the spell, then by classic magical principles, she should have been at the centre and the Others should have formed a 5 pointed star.
The line "SURROUNDED by her friends" makes more sense if Alex had been in the centre rather than on the periphery.
There were six other people there to form the star around her - Constance, Forbearance, Anna, David, Sonia and Innocence.
I get what you're trying to say with the training example.
When you are in a vulnerable position with someone else, I think a lot of straight people prefer the other person to be another straight person of the same sex. It's 'safer' so to speak because you remove any possibility of sexual tension. People are pretty vulnerable about their bodies, particularly teenagers. To find out that you've been undressing in front of someone you assumed would never look at you in 'that' way but who may have been at points is a pretty big shock, kindof like realizing that the uncovered window you've been undressing in the same room as because you thought no one could see in it from the street *actually* provides a pretty good view if you stand in a certain place on the sidewalk. You have no idea if anyone has been looking when you thought they weren't or not. It makes you feel skittish and uncertain.
I think the boys will patch things up though before the end of the school year (assuming Torvald doesn't die like some people are predicting).
But it still doesn't make Stuart a pervert, or a sick freak. Torvald might be uncomfortable with Stuart being gay because of all the things you mentioned. He might not want to talk to Stuart ever, it wouldn't matter much. But having it firm in ones mind that being gay is perverted or makes you a sick freak is the bigger problem here.
The boys might patch things up, but Alex isn't as easily forgiving. I don't see them getting back together after this. They might get back to speaking terms, but Alex and Torvald, never gonna happen.
I've never really gotten the whole 'i am around a gay person of my gender, oh no they must be attracted to me/checking me out, woe!' impulse...i mean, if you are straight, does that mean you are automatically attracted to EVERY person of the opposite gender? certainly hasn't ever been so for me, and in my experience, going around hitting on people they know are straight is not something most gay people do because hey, most people in general don't like to pursue things if they know rejection is near-certain. I've shared a dorm room with both a gay and a transgendered roommate, and neither of those situations EVER made me feel uncomfortable in that kind of way. :/
that said, fair enough i suppose about them being young teens (though I have seen that sentiment expressed by grown adults >.>) and i do hope they patch up the friendship. it's a pretty lame thing to lose a best friend over :]
Yeah, I was in the military. The guys whining about "Oh noes, what if teh gayz r checking me out in da showers!?!?!" are full of shit. No one is thinking about that in the field, or in the barracks for that matter.
yeah, I find that kind of anti-gay whining especially ironic giving the rather fail rape statistics among active duty personnel. because yeah, clearly the gays' watching is the BIGGEST problem...
During the TRAINING exercise, I felt happy about the no gays in the military rule, because the thought of a gay grabbing my ass would be squicky. If climbing that wall happened during ACTIVE service in a Life or Death situation, I would be grateful to whoever did it.
Shiny, you don't fear gays coming on to you, most straights do fear it. Most straights believe we are pretty, so gays would come on to us.
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Likewise, I get where Torvald is coming from. When I did military training, we had to climb a wall, I had problems climbing, so the guy behind, grabbed my arse and pushed me over. So I wanted gays to serve in their own regiments.
" She was still planted here on this world, surrounded by her friends."
No. They stood in a 6 pointed star. Troublesome was the focus, she should have been in the centre with the Others arranged in a 5 pointed star.
If Alex had agreed to the pact, she could have asked these questions three. Movie! Wizard of Earthsea was mostly crap, but one nice bit was:
Dragon: You win puny mortal. I shall answer two questions.
Ged: Hey! Isn't the rule that I get three questions?
Dragon: Correct, puny mortal. What are your remaining two questions?
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I'm not following you, re: the star.
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All 6 in a circle at 60* angle; 5 in a circle at 72* angle, 1 in the middle; 4 in a circle at 90*, 2 in the middle; 4 @ 90*, 1 in the middle, 1 off to one side; etc.
People stood in the form of a 6 pointed star. I assert that since Troublesome was the focus of the spell, then by classic magical principles, she should have been at the centre and the Others should have formed a 5 pointed star.
The line "SURROUNDED by her friends" makes more sense if Alex had been in the centre rather than on the periphery.
GEOMETRY, yo!
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(Anonymous) 2012-04-20 11:21 pm (UTC)(link)I get what you're trying to say with the training example.
When you are in a vulnerable position with someone else, I think a lot of straight people prefer the other person to be another straight person of the same sex. It's 'safer' so to speak because you remove any possibility of sexual tension. People are pretty vulnerable about their bodies, particularly teenagers. To find out that you've been undressing in front of someone you assumed would never look at you in 'that' way but who may have been at points is a pretty big shock, kindof like realizing that the uncovered window you've been undressing in the same room as because you thought no one could see in it from the street *actually* provides a pretty good view if you stand in a certain place on the sidewalk. You have no idea if anyone has been looking when you thought they weren't or not. It makes you feel skittish and uncertain.
I think the boys will patch things up though before the end of the school year (assuming Torvald doesn't die like some people are predicting).
So this is real life...
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The boys might patch things up, but Alex isn't as easily forgiving. I don't see them getting back together after this. They might get back to speaking terms, but Alex and Torvald, never gonna happen.
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that said, fair enough i suppose about them being young teens (though I have seen that sentiment expressed by grown adults >.>) and i do hope they patch up the friendship. it's a pretty lame thing to lose a best friend over :]
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Shiny, you don't fear gays coming on to you, most straights do fear it. Most straights believe we are pretty, so gays would come on to us.
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I'm not denying that the mindset you describe is common, but it's nowhere near universal, nor is it even a little bit rational.