I never suggested or implied that you argued like this so I don't understand where this post is coming from.
I agree that if all you say is "Shut the fuck up," you've failed to properly argue. But if you say "Shut the fuck up, and here's why," and you proceed to list the reasons your conversational interlocutor is stupid and/or an asshole, then you might be being rude but you're still arguing. In those circumstances, I'm suggesting that it's still bad for a white man to use that phrasing against a woman because of the (long, long) history at work. It's not bad in the same way for a man to use it against a man or a woman to use it.
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Date: 2012-04-09 10:16 pm (UTC)I agree that if all you say is "Shut the fuck up," you've failed to properly argue. But if you say "Shut the fuck up, and here's why," and you proceed to list the reasons your conversational interlocutor is stupid and/or an asshole, then you might be being rude but you're still arguing. In those circumstances, I'm suggesting that it's still bad for a white man to use that phrasing against a woman because of the (long, long) history at work. It's not bad in the same way for a man to use it against a man or a woman to use it.