Holy crap flood of comments. Would you please limit yourself to one in the future?
That's very nice. And I tell you that I am a white male, and I am not going to give anyone any special help or consideration for not being a white male. And furthermore, I take the demand that I should to be itself quite HIGHLY oppressive, especially if backed with force.
Not just oppressive, but highly oppressive, eh? I dare you to say that to someone who's suffered actual oppression. Well, if you ever manage to get off that high horse at least.
I didn't do anything to oppress non-whites or non-males.
Well, except for arguing in this thread that their oppression doesn't matter.
I ... only ... feel ... guilty ... for ... things ... I ... do. I do not feel guilty for things that others do.
Get over yourself. I have never asked or implied that you feel guilty for your white privilege. Almost every time I've seen white privilege be brought up, you always get a white person (usually a guy) who whines about how I didn't do anything so why should I feel guilty.
It's not about feeling guilty. It's about how non-white people are still at a disadvantage vis-a-vis white people, and to not acknowledge that makes you an asshole. Whether or not you feel guilty is up to you, but you need to at least acknowledge the fact.
To "practice" equality is to consider yourself to be fundamentally equal to others, and to treat other people as fundamentally equal to yourself, with your judgement of them being as individuals rather than members of a group.
All right. Still don't see how oppressed groups doing this will end their oppression, but whatever.
But if Mr. Able gives Mr. Baker unearned respect while demanding little in return because Baker is black, then he is also being racist.
*rolls eyes* "Unearned respect," give me a break. At the very least he earns more respect because Mr. Able has benefited throughout his life from white privilege that simultaneously harmed Mr. Baker.
If rights inhere equally in humans qua humans, then they are harder to take away.
Oh, wouldn't it be great if that were true? And you accuse me of being unrealistic...
No, because they were legally disadvantaged, so they had to repeal Jim Crow. And now, during Affirmative Action, whites need to repeal Affirmative Action, for a milder version of the SAME REASON.
Oh my God. Not only are you equating Jim Crow with affirmative action ("milder version," nice save), but you're also implying that the only way oppression can exist is through the law. Are you for real?
Shall we call this "Some groups are more equal?" Or maybe "separate but equal?"
I repeat: Get off your fucking high horse. This is not at all what I'm talking about and you damn well know it.
To treat them differently because of their group membership is to treat them unequally,
Except their group membership is part of their individuality. So to ignore their group membership is to ignore an essential element of their identity.
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Date: 2012-04-10 01:42 am (UTC)That's very nice. And I tell you that I am a white male, and I am not going to give anyone any special help or consideration for not being a white male. And furthermore, I take the demand that I should to be itself quite HIGHLY oppressive, especially if backed with force.
Not just oppressive, but highly oppressive, eh? I dare you to say that to someone who's suffered actual oppression. Well, if you ever manage to get off that high horse at least.
I didn't do anything to oppress non-whites or non-males.
Well, except for arguing in this thread that their oppression doesn't matter.
I ... only ... feel ... guilty ... for ... things ... I ... do. I do not feel guilty for things that others do.
Get over yourself. I have never asked or implied that you feel guilty for your white privilege. Almost every time I've seen white privilege be brought up, you always get a white person (usually a guy) who whines about how I didn't do anything so why should I feel guilty.
It's not about feeling guilty. It's about how non-white people are still at a disadvantage vis-a-vis white people, and to not acknowledge that makes you an asshole. Whether or not you feel guilty is up to you, but you need to at least acknowledge the fact.
To "practice" equality is to consider yourself to be fundamentally equal to others, and to treat other people as fundamentally equal to yourself, with your judgement of them being as individuals rather than members of a group.
All right. Still don't see how oppressed groups doing this will end their oppression, but whatever.
But if Mr. Able gives Mr. Baker unearned respect while demanding little in return because Baker is black, then he is also being racist.
*rolls eyes* "Unearned respect," give me a break. At the very least he earns more respect because Mr. Able has benefited throughout his life from white privilege that simultaneously harmed Mr. Baker.
If rights inhere equally in humans qua humans, then they are harder to take away.
Oh, wouldn't it be great if that were true? And you accuse me of being unrealistic...
No, because they were legally disadvantaged, so they had to repeal Jim Crow. And now, during Affirmative Action, whites need to repeal Affirmative Action, for a milder version of the SAME REASON.
Oh my God. Not only are you equating Jim Crow with affirmative action ("milder version," nice save), but you're also implying that the only way oppression can exist is through the law. Are you for real?
Shall we call this "Some groups are more equal?" Or maybe "separate but equal?"
I repeat: Get off your fucking high horse. This is not at all what I'm talking about and you damn well know it.
To treat them differently because of their group membership is to treat them unequally,
Except their group membership is part of their individuality. So to ignore their group membership is to ignore an essential element of their identity.