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Springing off of a comment on an earlier post, I had this extremely nerdy idea a while ago, so why not?

D&D Basic Rules

Way back in the day, I played Advanced Dungeons & Dragons. Yes, yes, it's true. I even had the original blue box basic D&D set.

By high school I had left AD&D behind and have never really looked back (for many years I was more of a Champions and GURPS grognard), but let's face it, everyone who has ever played a roleplaying game, even if they sniff disdainfully at AD&D, is familiar with the tropes pioneered by that game.

So, for anyone nerdy enough to be familiar with them, here's an AD&D alignment poll for my AQ characters. (Here is a summary of alignments if you need a refresher/guide.)

We're going by the original AD&D alignment chart.

AD&D Alignments

Blink Dogs. Seriously.

Or if you prefer one of a bajillion images online mapping various fictional characters to alignments:

The Wire alignments

It took me a while to find one I agreed with. Also, The Wire is fucking awesome.

So, without entering into an extensive debate on the validity/utility of AD&D alignments (I had those debates so many times in high school...), consider this "just for fun."

I will let the poll run for a while, and then eventually post my own Absolutely Correct and Inarguable Word of God interpretations. :P

I'm not including all the minor characters because it's a pain — LJ requires I manually enter the fields for every single character. But feel free to speculate in the comments if you like.



[Poll #1942893]

Date: 2013-11-12 01:09 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shinygobonkers.livejournal.com
Yeah I also totally do not see justification for an evil alignment with Diana...

Date: 2013-11-12 01:25 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tealterror0.livejournal.com
I think the logic is something like "Diana is supporting the Confederation; the Confederation is evil; therefore, Diana is also evil." But there's a difference between the Confederation and Hucksteen/the Deathly Regiment--Diana's not supporting the Deathly Regiment, she's trying to stop a mass-murdering terrorist. (It is possible she'll later be outed as a Deathly Regiment supporter, but I kind of doubt it.)

Date: 2013-11-12 02:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] graeme sutton (from livejournal.com)
1. She is trying to stop a democratically elected member of congress who resorted to violence after her bosses decided to ruin his life and crush his efforts at reform. Thorn didn't choose violence, Hucksteen did, and Diana knows this. Thorn's terrorism amounted only to an assassination attempt on the confederation's dictator until more than a decade into Diana Grimm's hunt.

2. Even so, I would still probably consider her Lawful Neutral if it weren't for the little incident where she arranged for a muggle child to get hit by a car.

Date: 2013-11-12 02:49 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tealterror0.livejournal.com
1. As vile as Hucksteen is, ruining someone's life and crushing their efforts at reform does not count as "violence." Abraham not getting his way democratically, and so deciding to get his way militarily instead, can only be cast as "Thorn didn't choose violence, Hucksteen did" inside Abraham's own self-justifying mind. And neither of us have any idea what other actions Abraham might've taken between the failed assassination and going into hiding. (The fact that he allied with the Dark Convention is not a good sign.)

2. Did I miss the part where it was even implied, much less outright stated, that Diana was behind Bonnie almost dying? (I assume that's what you're referring to.) Because I have no idea what you're talking about.

Date: 2013-11-12 03:20 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] graeme sutton (from livejournal.com)
1. Throwing someone in prison for life, or for any length of time, is violence. If the confederation was willing to use extra legal means to defend the deathly regiment, then extralegal means are necessary to stop it.

2. Diana went out of her way to make sure that Alexandra knew about Livia, and the cause of the crash was a freak swarm of owls. We know that Diana has a spell that conjures a swarm of owls from her fight with Thorn and she is the only one we have seen use the spell or any other Owl-themed magic. Since Livia was the only means Alexandra had to save Bonnie it was fairly predictable that she would try to call her in, which predictably led to Alex learning of her true parentage, which adds up to Diana setting up the whole thing so that Alex would find out. Why? I don't know.

Date: 2013-11-12 03:35 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tealterror0.livejournal.com
1. While I had forgotten the exact details, according to Quickipedia:

In 1994, he began to publicly denounce the American Wizarding Confederation and Governor-General Elias Hucksteen in particular, and lent aid to accused members of the Dark Convention. He ultimately came under suspicion when he traveled to Britain in 1995, allegedly to meet with Lord Voldemort; a warrant was issued for his arrest and his property was seized, but he eluded capture.

Issuing a warrant for someone's arrest is not "extra-legal," it is perfectly legal. Perhaps Abraham was afraid his trial would be politicized. It's still way overstating things to say that he was "forced into" violence. He chose it.

2. Not only is your only piece of evidence that it was a swarm of owls, a spell I assume most if not all high-level wizards can cast, but you're also attributing a near-superhuman level of foresight to Diana. You may be right, of course, but I see no reason to treat your theory as anything more than a hypothesis.

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